Omnis Studio Editions & Pricing

[Jay Barnes]

Hi all,

I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about
the Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.

I've been using Studio 4x to prototype an application which accesses
multiple remote MySql Databases.
We have been waiting for Studio 5 before we actually purchase the
product knowing that it would be out
soon and that we might have to pay twice if we didn't wait.

The problem is based on what I am reading is that the Standard
Edition does not allow you to access a remote
database. It allows you to access MySql but from what I am reading
it means a local MySql database only. That
seems to mean we would have to purchase the pro version for $2500
instead of the Standard Edition for $250
which we are not budgeted for to say the least. This would also mean
we just wasted months of development
time waiting for Studio 5.

We do not need the Web version for our applications, and it would be
ridiculous if we have to buy the pro version.
Is this right? Am I reading this right?

Thanks for any light you can shed on this.

Jay

[Fred Brinkman]

Jay, talk to your sales rep, it's more than likely the two of you will
find a solution for this...

Hth

Fred



Fred Brinkman
http://www.euromnis.com

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Post by Jay Barnes
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site
about the Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.
I've been using Studio 4x to prototype an application which accesses
multiple remote MySql Databases.
We have been waiting for Studio 5 before we actually purchase the
product knowing that it would be out
soon and that we might have to pay twice if we didn't wait.
The problem is based on what I am reading is that the Standard
Edition does not allow you to access a remote
database. It allows you to access MySql but from what I am reading
it means a local MySql database only. That
seems to mean we would have to purchase the pro version for $2500
instead of the Standard Edition for $250
which we are not budgeted for to say the least. This would also
mean we just wasted months of development
time waiting for Studio 5.
We do not need the Web version for our applications, and it would be
ridiculous if we have to buy the pro version.
Is this right? Am I reading this right?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
Jay
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[Terence J. Young, D.C.]

Why not download the standard time limited and give it a try. I think
your interpretation is wrong.

terry

Post by Jay Barnes
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about
the Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.
I've been using Studio 4x to prototype an application which accesses
multiple remote MySql Databases.
We have been waiting for Studio 5 before we actually purchase the
product knowing that it would be out
soon and that we might have to pay twice if we didn't wait.
The problem is based on what I am reading is that the Standard Edition
does not allow you to access a remote
database. It allows you to access MySql but from what I am reading it
means a local MySql database only. That
seems to mean we would have to purchase the pro version for $2500
instead of the Standard Edition for $250
which we are not budgeted for to say the least. This would also mean
we just wasted months of development
time waiting for Studio 5.
We do not need the Web version for our applications, and it would be
ridiculous if we have to buy the pro version.
Is this right? Am I reading this right?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this.
Jay
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[Jay Barnes]

I might just do that, which brings me to my next question. Does O$5
overwrite O$4? Will I be able to continue
working with both of them installed?

tia

Jay

Post by Terence J. Young, D.C.
Why not download the standard time limited and give it a try. I
think your interpretation is wrong.
terry

[Fred Brinkman]

they don't overwrite but you cannot open a Studio5 lbs with a
Studio4.x sdk
you can have as many version of Studio as you like on your machine,
when you stay in range you can open your apps in the Studio of your
choice







Fred Brinkman
http://www.euromnis.com

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B-1000 Brussels

Tel. [phone]
Fax [phone] (on request)
mailto:***@euromnis.com
*********************************************

Post by Jay Barnes
I might just do that, which brings me to my next question. Does O$5
overwrite O$4? Will I be able to continue
working with both of them installed?
tia
Jay

Post by Terence J. Young, D.C.
Why not download the standard time limited and give it a try. I
think your interpretation is wrong.
terry

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[Richard Ure]

Given Frontbase and, I believe Openbase, are cross platform, it is
unfortunate they are not eligible for Standard edition. Otherwise, the Mac
world is somewhat left out in the cold just at the time the rest of the
world is discovering it.
RMU

Post by Jay Barnes
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about the
Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.

[Marten Verhoeven]

Postgresql is cross platform as well and runs fine on a mac.

Regards,

Marten Verhoeven

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Onderwerp: Re: Omnis Studio Editions & Pricing


Given Frontbase and, I believe Openbase, are cross platform, it is
unfortunate they are not eligible for Standard edition. Otherwise, the Mac
world is somewhat left out in the cold just at the time the rest of the
world is discovering it.
RMU

Post by Jay Barnes
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about the
Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.

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[Andy Hilton]

As does MySQL......Frontbase and Openbase - whatever their respective merits
may be - are both very small players in the global numbers game....mention
Postgres or MySQL to most folks with half an ounce of knowledge in IT and
they accept them as 'players'....so the mac side is good to go with these !

Post by Marten Verhoeven
Postgresql is cross platform as well and runs fine on a mac.
Regards,
Marten Verhoeven
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Onderwerp: Re: Omnis Studio Editions & Pricing
Given Frontbase and, I believe Openbase, are cross platform, it is
unfortunate they are not eligible for Standard edition. Otherwise, the Mac
world is somewhat left out in the cold just at the time the rest of the
world is discovering it.
RMU

Post by Jay Barnes
Hi all,
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about the
Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.

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[Mark Phillips]

Post by Jay Barnes
I've been using Studio 4x to prototype an application which accesses
multiple remote MySql Databases.
We have been waiting for Studio 5 before we actually purchase the
product knowing that it would be out
soon and that we might have to pay twice if we didn't wait.

The Standard Edition comes with a choice of 1 DAM, either MySQL or
PostgreSQL. I assume these choices were selected because they both
offer "free" open source licenses. All other DBMS require a fee of
some sort, which would indicate a different product price model for
your product.

If you purchase a support contract then releases such as Omnis Studio
5 are included without charge. Over the past several years I have
found the support service to excellent and, given the other attributes
of the developer program*, a good value for many developers.

- Mark Phillips
On the web at www.mophilly.com
On the phone at [phone]


* See page 5 of the Omnis Price Information document that was recently
distributed.

[Doug Easterbrook]

to put a simplified view on things - having used omnis for a long time.

first, whatever you spend on Studio, you have already saved in
development effort.

Second, you can develop against Postgres or Mysql with the free licence.

then just buy runtimes for each client access you need. Runtimes do
the work at runtime talking to any database anywhere. Who cares if
you only have a single use development license if it can talk to a
local database.


i mean.... for years we've used our development platform to talk to
postgres.



then we just buy runtimes as needed to deploy to clients. Those are
in a reasonable realm of price for a variety of deployment needs.





Doug Easterbrook
Arts Management Systems Ltd.
mailto:***@artsman.com
http://www.artsman.com
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Post by Jay Barnes
I'm a little concerned with what I am reading on the Omnis site about
the Standard Edition capabilities.
I hope someone can shed some light on a few things for me.
I've been using Studio 4x to prototype an application which accesses
multiple remote MySql Databases.
We have been waiting for Studio 5 before we actually purchase the
product knowing that it would be out
soon and that we might have to pay twice if we didn't wait.
The problem is based on what I am reading is that the Standard
Edition does not allow you to access a remote
database. It allows you to access MySql but from what I am reading
it means a local MySql database only. That
seems to mean we would have to purchase the pro version for $2500
instead of the Standard Edition for $250
which we are not budgeted for to say the least. This would also mean
we just wasted months of development
time waiting for Studio 5.
We do not need the Web version for our applications, and it would be
ridiculous if we have to buy the pro version.
Is this right? Am I reading this right?
Thanks for any light you can shed on this.

[Denis Woodbury]

Hi,

Using
OSX 10.5.8
Postgresql 8.4.1
Studio 5.0

I have a PostgreSQL database encoded as Latin1 which contains some accented
characters (???), is it possible to read in the records with Studio 5.0 so
they display correctly without converting the database to UTF8 ?

Anybody else tried ?

Never even got Studio 4.3.1.4.1 unicode to read thoses in even converted to
UTF8


Thanks


denis woodbury
woodbury micro inc.
***@woodmic.net

[Bastiaan Olij]

Hi Denis,

Assuming the characters are correctly stored within postgres (i.e. if
you logon with say PGAdmin you can see the data correctly) and assuming
you are in Unicode on Studio in theory (haven't tried this) all you need
to do is set the client character set to UTF8 and Postgres will convert
data back and forward for you (I'm actually not sure if the postgres DAM
is using UTF8 or UTF16 but you can give either a try).

Just issue a
SET client_encoding = 'UTF8'

SQL command to the server.

Do note that if your user types in chinese Omnis will accept it gladly
but Postgres will give and error that those characters can not be stored
in latin1.

Cheers,

Bas

Post by Denis Woodbury
Hi,
Using
OSX 10.5.8
Postgresql 8.4.1
Studio 5.0
I have a PostgreSQL database encoded as Latin1 which contains some accented
characters (???), is it possible to read in the records with Studio 5.0 so
they display correctly without converting the database to UTF8 ?
Anybody else tried ?
Never even got Studio 4.3.1.4.1 unicode to read thoses in even converted to
UTF8
Thanks
denis woodbury
woodbury micro inc.
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[Denis Woodbury]

Hi Bastiaan,

SET client_encoding = 'UTF8' did the trick.

Anyway I got the problem confirmed from the UK and they sent me new DAMs
this morning (that was fast) and we don't need to set the client_encoding
anymore probably because there is now a $encoding property in the DAM

Thanks

Denis

Post by Bastiaan Olij
Hi Denis,
Assuming the characters are correctly stored within postgres (i.e. if
you logon with say PGAdmin you can see the data correctly) and assuming
you are in Unicode on Studio in theory (haven't tried this) all you need
to do is set the client character set to UTF8 and Postgres will convert
data back and forward for you (I'm actually not sure if the postgres DAM
is using UTF8 or UTF16 but you can give either a try).
Just issue a
SET client_encoding = 'UTF8'
SQL command to the server.
Do note that if your user types in chinese Omnis will accept it gladly
but Postgres will give and error that those characters can not be stored
in latin1.

[Denis Woodbury]

Spoke too fast, the new DAM works ok for reading but if you update the
record it does not store it correctly but will if SET client_encoding is
set.

For now SET client_encoding = 'UTF8' is the solution


denis woodbury
woodbury micro inc.
***@woodmic.net
450-242-0249